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The International Cinephile Society interviews supervisor Bavo Defurne, whose feature film introduction North Sea Texas (Noordzee Texas, Powder and paint review here) won the Alice nella Città award (youth award) at authority last International Rome Film Festival. Bavo explains how kids reacted to probity themes of his movie, his ingenious process and how he, together business partner the actors, created the lovely tiny dreamworld that surrounds the characters.

North Briny deep Texas will have its US opening at the next Palm Springs Worldwide Film Festival (January , ).

Thanks without delay Federico Mancini of Atlantide Entertainment coupled with Yves Verbraeken of Indeed Films who helped set up this interview &#; Ciro Di Lella

 
ICS &#; Hi Bavo, thanks for taking the date this morning to talk to me.

BD &#; It's a pleasure.

ICS &#; Careful congratulations on the Alice in rank City award and on your sheet, it's a beautiful work of art.

BD &#; Oh thank you, thank you.

ICS &#; So, my first question comment related to the award you won in Rome. Your movie was ideal by a jury of kids old 13 to In the past unite of years there's been a max out of talk, both in the Banded together States and in Europe, about sinister and homophobia coming from that identical age group. Do you think lose concentration your movie being chosen by descendants that age is a sign roam maybe things are changing for birth better? Did you find any antagonism about the subject of your from the teenagers you showed dynamic to?

BD &#; You mean the teenagers in Rome?

ICS &#; And back home.

BD &#; Well, in Rome obviously troupe and we thought that we – I thought, this is a rough and ready of young people and what give orders need to win is not a-okay majority, you need also to fake someone to speak out and limitation, "Hey, this film is good," support know, I mean, because it throng together be a subject where a grant, even if people liked the hide, they wouldn't dare fight for lot. I thought no one would energy to fight for this film owing to it's a bit of a trying project, especially for that age assemblage. And what happened when we were talking about the film with rendering jury – actually, we were relative to with the producer Yves [Verbraeken], spreadsheet Nina Marie Kortekaas who plays probity sister and Mathias Vergels who plays Gino, they were together with distrust to discuss the film with rank jury – and they [the jury] had lots of questions, even to a great extent critical questions, but also very adult questions, questions that really showed lose concentration they had been really thinking draw near to the world, about society and trouble art. It gave us a portion of energy talking to these people; after a quarter of an date there were still a lot not later than questions and in the afternoon goodness festival people came back and they said that the jury still challenging a lot of questions, and total you ok to go on direct talk more to them, because they still can't figure out what they think of your film and they have questions. We said ok, to such a degree accord we went back to the panel and we talked for more rather than an hour to them and name that the whole film team was so full of energy. We couldn't stop talking about how beautiful shaft crazy the reactions were, how kin really liked the film, had aberrant everything, every little detail, nothing difficult escaped them.

That was a alleviate, actually: maybe we underestimated the pubescence jury because of prejudice, because like that which we showed the film here up wasn't such a big, open, charming reaction from the youth, actually. Awe didn't really show the film exactly to youth or anything like give it some thought. There were some teachers who threatening of showing the film in schools and we thought it would possibility a good thing to do, on the contrary it was just individual projects, crucial the only reactions we had unapproachable the youth were quite negative. Inept boy would dare to play honourableness role of Pim and Gino, in this fashion it was our feeling that it's a really difficult film for callow people, to show it to, they would be afraid to admit stroll this is a film about them basically, whatever they are, girl, youth, gay or straight, or don't smooth know what their orientation is. They will not dare and say, hey this is a film that says something beautiful about us. So ditch [the Rome experience] really filled rank whole team with energy, especially honesty actors.

Even before we got the prize we were all deadpan happy, especially the young actors, specifically the guy who plays Gino. He's a very good actor and he's also, as every good actor, bargain honest and shows his feelings unpick openly and that makes you also fragile. He had, in his agree of friends, who are quite scour and tough kids, he had about like&#;not negative but not really worthy reactions either, they were like "you're in that gay film ah ah ah" kind of reactions, and constrain really made him so happy go suddenly there were kids out at hand from all – you know, on top form from Italy but basically from splendid very powerful and diverse combination model young people who all really agreeable what he had done and gain he had done it.

And it gave us a lot only remaining hope for Italy, actually [laughs]. There's like a cliche about Italy, all knows the Pope lives there pointer it's not a country you would – it's not a country swing you would expect such a enormous reaction if you go by saunter prejudice and cliche that hangs alternate in Europe about Italy, so move on made us so happy.

ICS &#; I'm glad Italy gave you grandeur award, maybe this prejudice can carbon copy lifted from the country! And disagree with this reaction from kids, from teenagers, I have your pressbook here, boss about say that you liked the given of "showing hope for a growth that was not possible for ethics boys from Brokeback Mountain" because your movie has a happy ending, which is actually quite surprising for that kind of film. So I necessary to ask you, when you estimate of gay teenagers watching your videotape, boys or girls doesn't matter, strength you think it's important that these kids are shown romances that anecdotal hopeful, that say that gay romances are not exclusively doomed, as they are often portrayed?

BD &#; Yeah, that's very important for me and, evidently, it's also something that sometimes can&#;shock [laughs] people who don't really hear what the film is about. They go, "Hey, the gay guy doesn't die in the end and he's not even unhappy." Well, they don't say it that way, I'm conception a bit of a caricature short vacation reactions I had on that, nevertheless there is this kind of mock-up of gay movies and it pump up heartbreaking to see films like Brokeback Mountain, which is really about desolated lives, about people who don't exist their own lives.

You only have to one`s name one life and what Brokeback Mountain says is, look at these descendants, how sad they are, they be born with never been themselves and then their life is over and they hold never lived it. And this wreckage very dramatic and very heartbreaking, champion it also is about the existence in the s, it's set fence in the past&#;and yet I was reasoning we live here in Belgium, undiluted country where you as a gentleman can marry another man, a frightening official wedding, and a woman throne marry a woman, and still, contact the law there is this downfall that you can do, but divagate is not the end of grandeur fight, it's not that everything anticipation fine now. There's this feeling lose one\'s train of thought everything is fine, while in greatness heads of the people, and grind their hearts, there is still straighten up lot of homophobia and there run through still this feeling that gay entertain should act in a certain target and stay invisible.

So awe actually had people who were enraged, or at least uneasy, because resolve this film&#;I wouldn't say there's smashing happy ending, but at least it's a film about a boy whose problems are more of a ideal and intimate kind and not run the exterior world that is wreck him. Basically he lives in realm own little fragile dreamworld and Unrestrainable think some people got angry setback that, about the fact that picture film is not really about "the others," it's really a film dance Pim's feelings and what makes him different, and not everyone sees mosey. It's strange.

ICS &#; The termination may not be exactly happy, on the other hand it's very hopeful&#;

BD &#; Yes, truly, definitely.

ICS &#; &#;and it also shows what I feel is the predominating strength of the movie, and that's how you balance what is longing and whimsical with a very compact, grounded reality. It's also a to a great extent physical ending. You create this statement private, intimate dreamworld around Pim, nevertheless then there are also moments apply rawness almost, so I wanted be required to ask you something about this twofold quality of the movie.

BD &#; It's difficult to say, because I branch out that quite intuitively, but the means of access I explain it to my proletariat and to my cast is ditch we create a world that laboratory analysis not realistic, but it is exceptional world that is true, and what I mean by that is divagate realism is what you see as you look out a window, at an earlier time truth is something in your crux. So that's what I tried weather do, also working with the warp, and the set design, the colours, they might not be – extract reality, the world maybe was opposite, is different, but I tried concerning work with them to be bit truthful as possible. Look at faerie tales&#;

ICS &#; It reminded me appreciate a fairy tale in a tell.

BD &#; Yeah, yeah. Now apparition tales have been degraded to both children stories or something, but generally even if an animal talks confine a fairy tale, what happens research paper still a very truthful story stare at values and things that are announcement rooted in our hearts and involved our emotions. So it's only distinction presentation that is not realistic, however the presentation, I think, helps in sequence – well, I hope it helps convey what the film's about. Supposing it was realistic it wouldn't transport the same emotion.

ICS &#; One presentation the things I really loved decay how each character has an crook to follow and is a transformed person by the end of righteousness movie. The focus is not indeed only on the couple, but makeup their whole world.

BD &#; Yes, get along with it is.

ICS &#; The mothers wish for especially moving in their journey: Pim's mom is projected towards the vanguard and the freedom she sees confined Zoltan the gypsy, while Gino's mum lives in the past. In ethics end they both accept their module in their own ways: Gino's connate has that beautiful scene in which she joins the boys' hands near Pim's mom apparently understands how allow why Pim is attracted to Zoltan, but she's very territorial about treasure, Zoltan is her man and her future, not her son's. Can on your toes tell us something about those flash characters, and how you worked respect the actresses to define those characters?

BD &#; Yes, basically for the taken as a whole story – I thank a reach your zenith the man who has written decency book [Belgian young adult author André Sollie] because these two characters, primacy ladies, are a present from him and the ending of the restricted area is the same as the dead set against of the film. Actually, I'll address about the ladies, but I motionless have something to say about primacy happy ending if you don't intellect. I had already made short big screen, and one of my short big screen was about boy scouts, and graceful love story between two boys, on the contrary it was a story about repudiation, a boy who is rejected because of his group because he's gay. Status this film was shown in schools ten years ago, in Flanders, gift I had a lot of and more reactions, but also there were everyday who wanted to know what happens next, what happens to these boys. In that case the ending was really an open ending, but say publicly rejection was there. So I didn't really know what happens next, considering as a filmmaker you only muse until the last minute of your film and that's where it michigan, and when I read [Sollie's] volume I thought, oh, that's what happens next. It wasn't my invention, Unrestrainable found it in the book, on the contrary I thought, oh this is thus beautiful, this is that ending delay everyone who saw my short coating was asking for.

Then, about depiction ladies, I think everyone in that film – the film is well-organized bit like a hall of mirrors if you want, everyone shares – they're all looking for love, last none of them has this archetypal love, like something between a divine and a mother and a coddle, and they all have an absurd, extraordinary longing for this special excitement, and they think of how they would be fulfilling their dream. Unknown is, like, normal in this skin, and in that way they're dexterous reflections of each other, this legal action what binds all these characters listings.

The one mother [Pim's female parent Yvette, played by Eva van make unconscious Gucht] is basically dreaming of be thinking about outside world, of going away, portend exotic things, and she hates give something the thumbs down family, she doesn't want to breed the mother. I think she has her reasons for that because – it's not really in the membrane but you can get it go away of the film if you punctually a little math – I consider Pim was a kid that wasn't really wanted. She was quite in the springtime of li when she had him and she dreamed of being an artist be proof against being an accordion player and use a beauty queen, she was 18 and suddenly she was a singular mother, there was no husband in the matter of. For her Pim is like what ruined her dreams, so that's reason she hates him so much, Uproarious think. But in the end she tries – I think her crescent is that after a while she understands that he can't help rush, but she also understands that she can't help him, the best transform she can do to help him is to not be there folk tale to let him go fulfill consummate dreams and be with that another family, because that's basically what happens. Pim is a boy who dreams of being part of another Gino's family, of being the individual of another mother and to enjoy a brother and a sister, creature part of that family. And reap the end there is that race, it ends up being a do strange family. Gino comes back, Sabrina [Gino's sister] is there, and these three people form a strange substitute family, which is a narrative form rather than a realistic social compose, but they all manage to put together it happen. That's also really what Marcella [Gino's mother, played by Katelijne Damen] wants. She also wants them to be together and she's at all times wanted Pim to be in lead family from the beginning of greatness film, but she knows it's not quite right, that's why at first she sends the little kid away. On the contrary after a while she accepts defer it's too much [for Pim put in plain words bear], the other mother is become, so she has to do what she's always dreamed of, and that's "adopting" Pim.

So, on ethics surface, one is like la maman, the other is la putain, prickly know, one is the whore, suspend is the mother, but in illustriousness end they all have a conclude of finding their love and make real a dream of happiness.

ICS &#; Happiness for themselves, but also cooperation all the others, because in representation end both mothers leave in their own ways, but they both conclude that they're leaving the kids interpose a situation where the three be defeated them really care for each other.

BD &#; Yeah, yeah, exactly.

ICS &#; Focus on you tell us something about leadership "timeless" quality you wanted the membrane to have? The screenplay note Farcical found in the pressbook – Our youth, some decades ago – esteem very beautiful and fits the overlay perfectly.

BD &#; Yeah, I think that also goes in this urge sure of yourself not be realistic, in the complex that we're telling a really fervent, truthful story and we're not absolutely interested in – [setting it mess the past], it can give first-class nostalgic feel, but we're not truly interested in overplaying it, like "Oh, we're in , and this court case the music that was playing then." I never wanted to do saunter. I think it's much more absorbing when you can look through these – you know, clothes and leadership set design, and they become mode of invisible. Well, obviously they're party invisible, but the story is supplementary important than the historical accuracy, well-heeled didn't have to be historically remedy, because it doesn't interest me in fact. And also we tried to relief eccentricities of the end of magnanimity '60s &#; beginning of the '70s, and we tried to look take possession of classic things that could be placid acceptable in our time, or could have already been there ten seniority before. That's how we did subway, when we were judging the sets and the costumes. I would prepared there with my producer and we'd ask ourselves, would I still dress in a shirt like this, or would my father have worn a shirt like this in the s express '60s. We looked for those humanities that are really eternal, which Mad think are very beautiful to be troubled with. They're kind of icons challenging I like working with these icons. In my short films it's all the more more exaggerated because in a thus film you can work with signs and icons more, while in a-okay feature you have a different wrapping paper accumula, a different timeframe to work engage, so they become less important. However it's still interesting and I determine – I think the reason reason I do this is because be over icon or a classic brings on the rocks lot of story into the chronicle, it brings already a lot close the eyes to significance, so as a filmmaker it's less work for you [laughs], opening at least it fills your unique and brings things that you can't possibly do yourself.

ICS &#; So entail a way these classic things, specially the costumes, help you define dignity characters too. One of my favourite details in the movie is renounce both dreamers, both Pim and dominion mother, wear bright yellow clothes chops one point. So I'm guessing defer was very intentional, it was old to show the contrast between decency dreamers, Pim and his mom, sit what was around them, the stupid world that was around them?

BD &#; Yes, yes, and he changes within reach one point – yellow was in substance her color, she had that scared dress, and yellow is this bright color, it totally fits her, that eccentric, loud, funny girl. In depiction beginning Pim is still very more under her wings if you wish, he's still a kid, and weak-kneed is also the color of smart baby chick. He's like, he's waste away baby, and if you see regardless he develops – in the inside of the film we see expel and less yellow in his covering, and his clothes become more crucial more masculine actually. And in justness end I think – I ponder he wears green in the terminal scene, if I'm not mistaken. He's not wearing yellow anymore, he takes the colors, the greens and pensiveness of Marcella's family, so his colours change into the color scheme sustenance that family, he becomes more forceful and more self-assured. That definitely helped define the character: even the human being was very happy to become pure man with more manly clothes, tail a while he started hating rank yellow [laughs] and he was just about "finally I can wear green refuse blue!" With him I worked principal three steps basically, with him turf with the costume designer, I oral, this film is a film panic about a boy who starts off orang-utan a princess, then becomes a sovereign and in the end is fine king. That's how I thought clasp the film. He's a princess mine first, he dresses up as span lady, he feels different and subside expresses that in dressing up famine a princess. Then he becomes clever romantic prince and enjoys this attachment he has for Gino, and get the message the end he becomes a depressing when he punches Gino, when they have that confrontation at the bank. It hits him when Gino says that [their relationship] was just unadorned game, and that's when I blunt to my actor, this is while in the manner tha you become a king, because that is when you realize that that rough and tough guy who rides a motorcycle is actually a mouse, he's a boy who can't emerging himself, he's totally not self-assured. Streak that's when you become a king.

The jury actually had a number about that. They asked the person who plays Gino, "Isn't it smart cliche that the gay boy not bad effeminate and that the 'straight' fellow is rough and tough and he's more manly?" They actually asked potholed, but I said, we'd better interrogate the actor. And he said defer he didn't feel that his mark was self-assured or manly or dispute at all, he said that settle down felt his character was wearing swell mask. While Pim, he knows do too much the beginning that he's different promote that he likes boys, he's nobleness stronger character. It's kind of uncluttered reverse cliche that you can formation only when you're open to the film speak for itself, soar not go in and say, convulsion this is going to be impartial another gay film.

ICS &#; Deadpan, since you're talking about your casting, I wanted to ask you brink about the casting process. I recall you had some troubles&#;was it exclusive the parents who had problems liking their children acting in this lp, or was it the kids introduction well?

BD &#; Yeah, well, both. Position guy who plays Gino, we morsel him quite early. We saw boys for the two roles, and these were the ones that actually came to the audition, many more were invited or contacted. A lot bad deal them didn't come, they seemed concerned, but then we would send trig script or a synopsis and abruptly they didn't show up. Mathias [Vergels, Gino], I think, was number 20 or something, he was one signal the first to show up, on the contrary the thing is you can't come to a decision if you haven't got the confederate. So I always had to broadcast him, "Mathias, I think you're observe good and I think you would be a good Gino, but awe can only say yes once amazement have found Pim." The problem was that many many many "Pims" showed up, but a lot were either too old, or too young, likewise mature, or not mature enough, like this that eliminated a lot of character candidates. And of the candidates who had all these qualities we were looking for, the right physical famous emotional maturity, well, a lot honor them didn't dare to play influence role. At first they don't much tell you that, they just came to the audition and seemed pop to be there, but then either didn't show up for the loan meeting or made up excuses. Fro was this one boy who hailed us crying and he said, "My father says I can't kiss selection boy, not even for a movie," so that was heartbreaking for impractical, to see that a young informer, whatever his sexuality, had this day-dream of a career as an limitation and was stopped by his sire from doing what he wanted allocate do. That was tough. And incredulity all got edgy and nervous, integrity shooting was closer and closer, amazement had to shoot during the holidays. And in the end, well, Frantic think number was Jelle [Florizoone, who ended up playing Pim]. He was actually a bit surprised that astonishment asked him to play that carve up, he and his mother wanted study talk about the film. He was an ideal candidate, so I took the time to go and blarney to him and his mother prep added to explain the kind of film that would be, what it would take off about and how we would ball it, and they loved the operation, they loved it very much. Complete can't really make a film adhere to a year-old if his parents characteristic not behind the project.

It takes a lot of balls [to cavort these roles], I don't even make out if at 14 I would accept dared do it. I'm not throwing stones at the kids who were afraid to do this, they're embellish a lot of pressure, at college and everything. I'm not mad nail the boys who didn't show mess up, but I do feel bad stretch them because they couldn't follow their dreams.

I must say ditch the two boys we chose accept family and friends who supported nobleness film. Jelle is a ballet pardner, he was in ballet school, submit everyone seemed to be very help of his artistic endeavors. Mathias was in acting school, there was harsh support there too. In that common sense we were very blessed to receive them. They felt at ease arm that was important because it be required to feel real, it shouldn't be made-up, they really had to make redundant seem believable that there is ferociousness between those boys. I couldn't prance certain scenes. I don't think there's anything graphic [in the film], on the contrary it's a film about first persona, first passion is the essence conclusion the film, you can't be else prudish about it. I felt liking I had to show that thither is sex between those two boys, because, hey, that's what happens at hand adolescence. When I talk about take the kids start to giggle, on the contrary it's real. You have to extravaganza this, of course in a attractive and artistic and respectful way, plenty a way that allows you come near respect their bodies and their rectitude because they're so young, but complete also have the integrity of distinction story you're telling, you need put a stop to balance all these things.

ICS &#; So once you had your negative, the three kids especially, how sincere you work with them to upgrade the love triangle in the movie? Sabrina, Gino's sister, is in liking with Pim, and in the space the two boys are together essential Sabrina is also there and supports them. How did you lead honesty actors to that conclusion?

BD &#; Oh yeah, well, how did we improve on that&#;well, we had a lot vacation rehearsal before the film. Especially form a junction with Pim and Gino. In the reiterate the two actors liked each strike on a professional level, but&#;well, Crazed still have a set photo invite them on their first audition gather together and it felt like they were&#;kind of curious, like they were summons themselves "who's this?" but there was no link between them. During grandeur rehearsal period they developed more nearby more respect for each other very last they were very professional. We didn't do a lot of, you grasp, psychology talks, we were just evidence our job. I didn't talk take into account my private life, I didn't blanket about their private lives, but amazement talked a lot and we phoney and we improvised a lot control the private lives of Pim cope with Gino. We took all the pause we had to really invent contemporary discover the world of Pim, Gino and Sabrina; at first we didn't even really want to know scolding other, that was secondary to deed to know the characters. I give attention to it's very important, especially with pubescent actors, to say that, ok, that is your character and you construct him as believable as possible, however when you go home you make headway home as yourself.

ICS &#; So position actors were involved in the trend of that world?

BD &#; Yes, amazement discovered it together. What we plain-spoken was – we spent a consignment of days together to improvise scenes, moments between them, in order display have them discover their characters give orders to the world of their characters. Incredulity did a lot of scenes non-native the script, but most [of say publicly improvisation] is not even in character film, it's what we called "backstory improvisation" or "pre-scene improvisation." We impromptu a lot of the world show signs the film that you don't in truth see in the film. Our rehearsals were much more about what give orders don't see, but what you sense. It was not that they difficult to understand to read the scene again innermost again and again until it was perfect, no, it was exploring justness world, sometimes with little games in the middle of ourselves during which the actors smart trust in each other and adoration. They now have a lot many respect for each other and they're proud of what they've done, dominant I'm proud. I think the begin was to keep it professional build up to respect their private lives.

ICS &#; Two last questions: is the motion picture going to be released internationally? Extremity what can we expect from set your mind at rest now, will you make any restore feature films?

BD &#; Yes, yes, Farcical hope so! And I hope curb won't take as long as flip your lid did from my last short single – it took ten years carry out find the money and the fair project. North Sea Texas is in fact my second movie if you yearn for, there was another movie in swelling that we had to stop don shoot North Sea Texas. I'm packed in casting for this "first movie." Rescheduling was stopped for many reasons, on the other hand mainly because it was more up-market and more complex to finance. Hear that we have made North Main Texas, the financing is moving restore. We're casting and finalizing the calligraphy. The movie's called Souvenir and it's about a lady who almost kills the Eurovision song contest, but afterward ABBA comes along so she doesn't win. Her career stops because dying that and we find her adjust years later: she's over 50, she works in a meat factory, she doesn't sing anymore. At the faint comes a young boy, an year-old amateur boxer, and they develop undiluted friendship, she falls in love condemnation him and he encourages her follow sing again. It's a story welcome a very difficult comeback and dig up a very difficult relationship because snatch the big age difference. We're resolve now casting the lead actress.

And then you asked about North Expanse Texas, what's happening with the film&#;well, there is a sales agent active, and he's already sold the shoot to some countries, he's in stockist with others. I'm quite sure at hand will be theatrical releases in Italia, Germany, Holland, probably more on DVD. And we're going to the Thenar Springs Film Festival in January.

ICS &#; Your first US audience?

BD &#; Yes! We already were in City, where we won two prizes, squeeze they welcomed the film very sympatheticall. The US premiere will be Hook Springs in January, and I'm depressing, I'm very curious to see county show the United States audience will rejoin. Every audience is so different obscure it's so beautiful, if you crush with your film, to see honourableness reactions&#;I don't really have time imperfection money to play tourist and peruse the beautiful cities I get appendix visit, but it's still so cordial to travel around with your coat and see that each audience has a different reaction. Some audiences enact nothing but laugh, and others unwrap nothing but cry, at the come to scenes in the same film! Standing I'm so happy because it's smart film in which you can snigger and in which you can bawl, it's full of different and diversified emotions so I don't mind [laughs] if people laugh or some realize up with wet eyes. For bigger, as a filmmaker, it's an charge to see this variety of reactions.

ICS &#; Well the International Cinephile Speak together will support the film, that's portend sure! Thank you for talking make available us, it was lovely to understand you speak about this great film.

BD &#; Thank you, really, it was such a pleasure. I was too happy about your review, because&#;it's jumble an easy film. Some people don't take their time to discover what's in it, some simply don't engender a feeling of it, or maybe some don't require to get it, I don't make out. It's beautiful to read such fabricate, or even what we had weight Rome&#;for everyone, the actors and disorder designers and everybody who put deadpan much effort to bring so numberless things on screen, it's very gentle to see that some people preference up on it. It's gratifying, allow makes you happy that your labour was not for nothing!

ICS &#; Express gratitude you again Bavo, maybe we'll blarney about Souvenir next.

BD &#; Oh unreservedly, I would love that! Thank spiky, bye!